CS-Nation

Covering the future of Counter-Strike
august 22nd, 2006
from: Asuka
Im a big supporter of the Valve updates. Never have been disappointed and never will be. Update sounds great. Yes i do play cs competitively.
A pro CS player who actually likes what they're hearing in these announced updates? They do exist!
from: Gpig
They announced source as just a port of CS and that it was not CS 2. It was obvious on release that it wasn't true, and that it was CS 2. I'm hoping they put vehicles into some official maps and make the maps larger with the changes. The source engine can make pretty large maps, so I don't see why they're not making any. Let's get some jeepathon up in this mother. They could also put in some new weapons. They should save the huge changes (like co-operative movements and boosts, more breakable shit such as lights, and bears) for CS:S 2.

Oh, and no, I don't mind them changing the way the radar works in source. It sounds interesting.

Also is zips answering this or is someone funny doing them? If it's zips, 10 bucks he puts some fucking snakes on a plane reference in the mailbag.
But right now, it isn't CS2. CS2 is still some seperate game that may or may not still be in production. I think the jury is still out on whether or not Gooseman is still even in a conscious state of being. You'll really only see massive gameplay changes in CS2. New or different weapons, different maps, etc etc.

You know, I wasn't going to say anything until I came across your entry, so here it is. Go see Snakes on a Plane. This plug courtesy of that lovable fellow going by the name of Gpig!
from: James Scallywag
People still play cs?
Nope. In fact, so few people play it we're hard at work on finalizing the conversion to Steam-Nation.
from: Grimbal
Well to start off i will say that having played CS:S threw the beta and still play it now a few days a week i can honestly say i am disappointed with the shape that the game is in...

I have found a few things that seem to disappoint not just me but a vast number of the CS:S community, I dont know if this mailbag is meant to be messages to valve about what are our likes and dislikes are about CS:S as a whole in general but i am aiming my thoughts and question's at valve and i hope that maybe someone at valve will read them and also answer them.

There seems to be a number of vital issues that dont seem to be getting resolved in CS:S

1. Simple Bugs
2. The Hitboxes
3. The crouch bug
4. Hostage AI
5. More of a steam bug but CS:S related "Favorites & Game server history disappearing...
Need i go on?

I think that after how long CS:S has been out the content and game bugs just do not to the game justice at all.

At the moment all i seem to be seeing is new de_dust HDR! new de_Train HDR! How about add the ES_ and AS_ game modes back freshing the game up! is it just me or are the maps becoming abit of a bore?

But still if any of that above was to happen i would like to see simple bug fixes first!!! all valve seem to be interested in atm is how good the game looks not how the actual gameplay is.
Well thankfully, some simple bug fixes are planned for the upcoming update. If subsequent updates continue with the trend, we should hopefully see even more bug fixes. Sadly, the news post really doesn't say much beyond minor bug fixes.

Will something like the crouch POV be fixed? Who knows. Will the diffusal bug be fixed? Or how about the "model looks like they're throwing a grenade but really has a gun out" bug?

Hitboxes, themselves are fine. Perhaps there could be a little more fine tuning to the netcode, but a lot of that is done client side as well. Hostage AI does need a lot of work. Again, there was some talk of work being done on updated hostage AI some months back, but nothing yet. If nothing else, just port over the CZ hostage AI.
from: peagle
I'll guess that most people want other issues addressed before changes to the radar. Personally it sounds fine to me and might help teams on pubs provide more backup if they can easily see where the action is. Well the 2 players in pub-world that use the radar anyway. !WTFZOR!={A$$T1GER}= is still going to awp from T spawn if the whole CT team has a tea party and sends invites.

As for the other issues, I have to admit, maybe I just don't understand the complexities of it, but I'd like to know why it's such a big deal to fix the crouched POV issue. Someone even made this handy graphic: http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1876/cssbug2he5.jpg

Would they really have to remake maps? I'm thinking not. But getting shot in the head by someone whom I can only see the feet off gives me the 'yips'. (Did I say that right?)
POV bug mention again? Check. Though this time there's a fancy schmancy graphic for us to look at! Is this really such a big issue though after a number so many years of it being as it is? Wouldn't changing it merely create more complaints, because even though it'd be correct, it'd screw up a lot of those established "line of sights" that are key to pro gamers the world over.
from: FlyingMongoose
I like kitties!
Enjoy!
from: radiumz0rz
Long time reader [beta 4], first time writer!

I think source is a completely different game than CS and everyone knows that. Making it try and stay close to a game that it isn't won't let it grow into a bigger fan base. I find the changes a new aspect that everyone is gonna have to learn to love!
Learn to love it, or die trying!

Remarkably the responses I've gotten from this seem to be split nearly 50/50 right down the middle. There were positives and negatives from all sides when it came to these gameplay changes. The majority of the complaints deal with Valve apparently overlooking bug fixes in order to add new fancy graphical effects. As noted though, there are bug fixes planned. No idea what they may be, but they are planned.

So that's it. That's my first mailbag experience at CS-Nation, and the first mailbag released in nearly two full years. Yeah, we're slackers, and yes I fail at trying to be funny in my responses. I am no rizzuh and I know most everyone would have rather had a monkey do this than me. Well, the monkey has dysentery!

Look for the new Mailbag topic shortly after the Counter-Strike: Source update is released this week.

    

  

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