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half-life 2 leak
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half-life 2 leak
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from: naemWell, it's not a different story. It's the same story. And I don't see how this is good for VALVe in any way. Free hype? They already had plenty of hype by virtue of every single gamer on the planet anxiously waiting for HL2. They didn't need this to happen to get the word out.
I believe the leak of the actual build of HL2 will ultimately be good for VALVe. It's free hype.
The source code leak is a different story and that will cause VALVe a lot of problems. They'll have to re-code certain parts of the source (CD-Key validation algorithms, for example) and undoubtedly people will rip their code and inspect it, possibly using some for their own personal projects. At least major companies (hopefully) won't rip it due to copyright violations and fines. The source code leak shouldn't affect CS2 too adversely since no meaningful CS2 code was leaked.
from: eagle25I firmly believe that game companies don't actually lose money on pirated software. Most of the time, pirates wouldn't have bought the games in question, anyway. And like you say, software pirating is inevitable.
i think the bulk of any damage created by this leak is going to go to VALVe's wallet, when you think about it, it's almost unavoidable to lose money (or not make the profit you should) when releasing video games/software.. even if it wasn't leaked, a week or 2 after (hey maybe a day) it would have ended up on the file sharing networks (not that i endorse it, its just a fact)
the only thing that could possibly be affected in the future of hl2 and accompanying mods are cheats.. or so I've heard. I'm no programing expert, but hackers might be able to create more effective cheats etc (if the netcode was leaked.. and i think it was)
from: PrimeTargetMaking VALVe look inept isn't exactly a good thing if you're really into their games, which you apparently are since you're obviously sitting on pins and needles waiting anxiously for Mom and Dad to give you enough allowance money to allow you to break your piggy bank full of pennies and run down to GameStop to pick up a preorder of HL2 and a copy of Barbie's funtime adventure.
Whoever leaked it was a real fool. Now we have to wait around for HL2 even longer! And they were probably planning a port for CS too. Not good. I say burn/lynch the leaker and steal his moneys.
On the other hand, it makes Valve look inept, which I like. Stick it to 'em.
from: CSBombermanA good point, perhaps some of the companies that were on the net will be more careful about where they place their source code. Hell, this shouldn't be a wake up call to just the games industry - if you have valuable code, make sure it's not hooked up to the internet. Ever.
I think the Valve leak will make the gaming industry become more secure. The obvious effect on HL2 is the delays. I think Valve will recover through their sales of CS:CZ and HL2, which is coming out. The only annoyance is the fact that it was delayed because of a hacker who was idiotic enough to take the source code.
from: odd3yeThere are support groups you can call to get over your creepy fascination with animal rape.
Its unfortunate that the one stupid moron has to ruin it for everyone. Here we are, a ravenous, rabid hungry pack of starved wolves, wanting more of HL2. More tidbits, more screenshots, more press releases. Its like a wolf getting his first taste of human blood. We want more. Now we find out that this isn't a human, its a bear, and its not going to let it eat you, oh no, its going to rape you and theres NOTHING YOU CAN DO. Thats kinda how I feel. Like a rabid starved wolf, thats just been violated.
from: MacerVALVe does have a history of doing some weird things (hello powerplay) but I do think they've generally always wanted to do the right thing when it comes to us gamers.
Valve's many attempts at suicide are remarkable.
Why were they on Outlook. Were they high or something? Now the hl2 leak is not that big. It was just as hyped as the game. Thiss may lead to cheats of course, but oh well, its not like that wouldnt happen sooner or late.
One day valve will lose this one man Russian Roulette they have been playing.
from: aK|penzsnapYeah, I don't think the current state of CS will suffer too much, unless STEAM is somehow comprimised. I agree that people weren't generally turned off by the leak, any more than they are turned off by the myriad development delays they are being put through.
I can't say that the HL2 source code leak has directly impacted Counter-Strike in its current state at all, and CZ is scheduled to come out November 18th.
As for the fate of VALVe, they'll manage to pull through one way or another. I don't think too many people were turned off from HL2 when they heard about the source code leak (though may not necessarily buy it considering they could just download it).
HL2 may not live very long though. Upon release the game will likely be plagued with cheats, so there goes multiplayer (never enjoyed single player personally).
from: DarkLiteWell, the physics system was made mostly by a company called Havok which licenses its code out to other developers, such as Ion Storm with Deus Ex 2. As I understand it, VALVe made some adjustments to their code to work better with their new engine. I also understand that ALL that code, even the Havok code, was released to the public, which might make VALVe liable in some ways, but I'm not a lawyer.
Well...
I shall refrain from mentioning how stupid Valve was for connecting a computer to the Internet when it had something they had been working on for FIVE years (namely, Half-Life 2) then publicly saying that the stolen content was real. Come on Valve, you should know better. This will undoubtedly affect CS2 in some way, probably the physics system may be copied by rival games (Rainbow Six, UT2004, etc.) which could have a ineffably disastrous impact upon Valve, and CS2.
from: -:Nighthawk:-I'm all for being optimistic about what happened, but I do think that it's a bit more serious than just a little delay. This is going to affect VALVe's prestige and pocketbook in the long run. It's not a simple whitewash and forget prospect.
As a result of the leak in such a major corporate project such as HL2, open source will soon reign supreme, linux fanboys will rejoice in the streets, Bill Gates will fall over dead, and MikeJ will do a funny mailbag. Okay, so none of those things will ever really happen. Mainly it just means the programmers have to go back and change stuff to make it a bit more difficult for hackers once more.
from: Evil_PenguinHA! You're right! Gabe Newell IS fat! I didn't realize Dave Chappelle visited CS-Nation! Oh man, that's some crazy observational humor right there, and the fact that you non-challanted it so cleverly makes it that much more amusing. Oh, the hilarity!
Vivendi is dead if they don't get HL2 out soon, that is gonna be there big release this year, and if it doesn't hit it's mark something is gonna fall, either A, they will be bought by Microsoft, or 2, they will file bankruptcy. So the rest of the company (Blizzard, Sierra, ect.) needs this out, or else. Plus Newell is fat.
from: PJ-First of all, I really doubt this will cause any shakeup in the e-sports arena. I disagree that many people feel they were "lied to" by VALVe, or how it ultimately matters if they were. Any mistruths by VALVe were just attempts to protect their public (and private) image, which you sometimes have to do.
I think this will have a HUGE impact on e-sports in general, if companies putting out the games that are involved in 'professional' gaming are accused of lying to it's customers will just put a huge black spot in it's reputation and will turn potential sponsors away. The people who play in the 'professional' leagues will not bother playing a particular companies game because 'if they lie once to us, what would stop them from doing it again'.
I also heard one of my friends saying that this hacker incident was just a big hoax on part of Valve so they could push back the release date, hoping that the gaming community wouldn't blame them for it.
All in all, the biggest problem with this whole incident is how badly the confidence gamers has in valve will be affected. They hear that HL2 was not even close to being ready, that only 1/3 of the source code was actually completed, the demo at E3 was a huge fake and the lack of security at Valve.
from: LoomisAs long as they keep being careful in the future, I agree. Whiners will always whine. They just always sound louder than the quiet, content ones.
The delays can be bothering, but for the patient ones, who wait all along without complaining, ittle (haha) be the better experience to play, while the whiners continue whining even after the game gets released.
If Valve manages to recover from what could be seen as biking down a very steep hill with no brakes (childhood memory), then they deserve any and everyones respect.
from: Cheetarah654I'm pretty sure VALVe isn't going to let an unsecure copy of Steam connect to their main database. I think this is a legitimate concern but something that you can be certain is going to be taken care of.
A main concern is that of Steam. If the people with the code are able to alter Steam, it is very unlilkely that people will feel safe giving out their credit card numbers, and this may potentionally hurt sales with purchase via Steam.
from: Brutal SpongeI'm not sure how they "deserved" to have all their preparations and plans ruined, but I guess that since you were somehow personally slighted by the delay - which was clearly aimed at making you, and only you, angry - and their security was a little on the lax side, VALVe should be burned to the ground and their ashes pissed on.
While I - like everyone else - am not happy with the delay, it was VALVe's fault.
The keylogger/trojan was installed using an old OE exploit that had been patched quite a while ago.
The machine with the HL2 source was connected to the internet. That's just a horrible oversight by VALVe.
It may sound a bit harsh, but they got what they deserved.
from: DarkViper311ZING! See, a little good natured ribbing never hurt anyone.
The whole source code leak incident won't hurt CS, that job is already being well taken care of by Steam.
from: KlownHaving already addressed the "super VALVe conpiracy" theory, I'll now attack the VALVe shadiness nonsense.
its really hard to tell whats going on, and what the real story is. while it was wrong (and incredibly stupid) of the hacker to steal, valve is a little shady on the whole situation as well. the fact that they didnt even mention it until early october when the hacking began in early september, and that they pushed the sept 30th release date practically up to the day seems a little suspicious. then saying holidays, and now finnaly its unknown (although most people are saying april) theres also speculation that valve had no intention of releaseing it on time, and that they planned on pushing the date back anyway, useing the hacker as a scapecoat.
from: DopefishAn interesting point, but I think it's always better to keep these things quiet. While I'm a huge fan of Half-Life and loved the story, it was the way the story integrated so well into the game that made Half-Life what it was, not the story on its own.
I think if anything, it will come out being positive for the community. This is just another sneak peek, and now security measures will be taken so nothing like this happen again in all of gaming. Half-Life 2 will still be a great game, allowing Counter-Strike 2 to be great. We cannot judge our opinion on a leaked beta, keeping in mind that Half-Life's story (which we still don't know much about) was what really drove the game home.
from: Bob!If you'd rather have a five hour game that amuses you for half a day then by all means, go bullet-time nuts with Maximum Pain. If they brought the game out when the source code was released, it would have been incomplete, easily hacked and riddled with cheats, and not up to the quality we expect, at which point you'd be complaining about how VALVe ripped you off, despite the fact that you have never paid for a game in your life.
I think its stupid delaying the game till april, most of the gamers will lose faith and buy other titles such as max payne 2. If they brought out the game as soon as the code got leaked people would hav bought it straight away, now everyone has to wait till april they will want to get a pirate version instead.